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>> chris: i'm chris wallace. today, preventing another attack on the homeland. >> i felt like my foot was on fire. i knew i couldn't stand up. and i didn't know what to do. i was just screaming somebody please help me. >> chris: the boston bombing suspects may have just been getting started. was times square next? >> the surviving attacker revealed that new york city was next on their list of targets. >> chris: did your intelligence agencies share information about the older brother's trip to ar russia? >> that information didn't get circulated t to the best of our knowledge today and we he have questions about why that would
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be. >> chris: we ask two ski he senators how to keep our nation safe. senator joe manchin and senator mike mcdcaul. new evidence the syrian regime used chemical weapons against its own people. >> we he have to make the assessments deliberately. >> chris: we will discuss how you president obama should respond with the israeli ambassador to the u.s. plus -- >> i travel as a messenge messd bare wet necessary and not just speak out bu toolly become proactive. aidatress and u.n. adriano ambassador charleen. all on "fox news sunday." hello again from fox news in washington. as the investigation into the boston bombings unfolds there are new questions about the tsarnaev brothers. did they plan more terror' tacks? and did u.s. officials miss
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warning signs before the bombing? joining us to discuss the latest o on the case, congressn mike mccaul, chairman of the house homeland security committee and joe manchin a member of the senate armed services committee. welcome to "fox news sunday." >> thanks for have ising us, chris. >> chris: start with the breaking news. on saturday the fbi arrested this man, everett dusky of mississippi in connection with the mailing of letters containing the poison ricin, mailing them to president obama, a u.s. senator and a local judge. congressman mccaul as chairman of the house homeland contract committee what can you tell us about the investigation and are you concerned this second man they charged in the last two week? >> totally unrelated to the boston bombing case. the two are sort of blood rivals. that the initial person in custody was set up by this individual which is why the fbi and u.s. attorney's dismissed
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the first case and now they found the right guy and have brought him to justice. i think he should be dealt with very harshly. sending ricin to members of congress and to the the president is a serious offense. >> chris: turn to the continuing investigation in boston. the fbi now says that toy remote controllers were used and i believe we have a picture of the components of the bomb. toy remote controllers were used to detonate the bombs were sophisticated than what is in the online ale kade linked magazine. you said all along you believe there is a foreign connection to the' tacks. do you have any more information about who and where and what do you know about the mother's role? >> i think given the level of sophistication of the defy and the pressure cooker is a signature device that goes back to pakistan and afghanistan and the way they handled the devices and the trade craft leads me to believe there was a
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trainer and the question is where is that trainer or trainers. are are they overseas in the chechen region or not united states. in my conversations with the fbi th i question. they have casted a wide net both overseas and in the united states toughened out where this person is but i think the experts all agree that there is someone who did train these two individuals. >> chris: somebody that was involved in the plot who is not either dead or captured? >> i think that is the concern is there could be a wider conspiracy. chris, what i find asounding is that right out of the boxes official' none mustily are saying -- anonymously are saying there is no foreign connection to the case when in fact the fbi just began the investigation into the case. just got his computer and just sent a u.s. team to interview witnesses and yet the narrative being played out by some in the the administration is there is no foreign connection just the two guys on their own.
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>> chris: and why would they push that narrative? >> i have no idea. i don't know why that is the case. early on there was a rush to judgment as a federal prosecutor former i reserve judgment to -- until all of the evidence comes in and in fairness to the fbi doing a good job investigating this they are looking into that very question. i think we owe it right to the american people and to the victims to wait and see when the evidence comes in. >> chris: senator manchin i will bring you in in a moment. i want to ask one question. we had a picture of the mother who apparently had become radicalized and was tied to radical islam. what role do you understand she played in all of this? >> i think she played a strong role in the radicalization process. i believe she is a person of interest if not a subject. i do believe if she comes into the united states that she will be retained for questioning. so i think there is a connection there. >> chris: senator manchin i want to peck up on this point
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because federal investigators from the start have kept saying it was a closed terror cell and just these two guys and they got radicalized themselves, no foreign connection. why do you think they are pushing that narrative and are you satisfied that is the truth? >> the public safety waiver they could have used to keep this person contained more before reading the miranda rights. i think they pulled the trigger too soon is just my observation and there is more to be had there. i agree with mike, we know the mother's role that they play with all sons and i think she was influencial for them. so much more are to be had? can we get it now as we could have obtained it before? that would be something we have to see at the end. i would like to have the process is of them being interrogated further than reading miranda rights as quick as they did and i thought the doj could have intervened and stopped that. >> chris: you are not satisfied be the arguement there is no
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foreign connection here? >> i'm not. i think that anybody that looks at that time. pretty sophisticated bomb they made and how they detonated it and things of this sort and a i know, i saw the website also. i think they were a little more advanced than what the website would have allowed a person to be and his six months overseas coming back and then the russians intervening and warning us. did they tell us all they he knew. why did they withhold information. there needs to be a tremendous follow-up and better coordination. >> chris: let's talk about the interrogation because the thing that triggered the magistrate coming into the hospital and reading him the miranda rights and cutting off 16 hours of interrogation or investigation and then dhokhar stopped talking was the fact that the justice department had filed charges and so is the judge had to act. that was the law. did the justice department make a mistake in filing criminal charges which then triggered
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all these events? >> he don't know what the rush to file the charges were. i have not been advised on that or informed on that. i would have liked to have is seen that process of him being interrogated go much further before the justice dropped the gauntlet if you will because that does automatically invoke some rights. as an american citizen you want those rights to protect you. on the other hand it is a terrorist act and it is identified as a terrorist act and he is a terrorist. we should extract all of the information we can before we give them rights that american citizens are entitled to. >> this is the younger brother dhokhar. made two trips to times square and came out this week that he told interrogators before he was lawyered up that they had made a spontaneous decision to go to times square. that was just talk, aspirational or do you have any evidence that was a serious idea attacking times square? >> i think it was a serious idea. look, when they executed the
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search warrant they found up to ten explosive devices. that end kates a second wave of attacks. the individual whose car was carjacked basically told the fbi they were talking about manhattan. they were talking in russian but mentioned manhattan which is where the lead came to them possibly going to times square. i feel certain they were on their way to teams square to detonate ten more explosive devices in new york. >> chris: one more question on this before we move on, congressman mccaul. two weeks, almost 13 days after the bombing. what is your single biggest concern about lapses by federal agency is in tracking the brothers before the attack? >> i'm going to hold hearings to find out what happened, what may have gone wrong and what can we do to fix things to make sure this never happens again. that is the obligation i have to the american people but you also to the victims and their
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families. look, i give great, i commend the fbi and joint terrorism task force and boston police but the fact is when they got that russian intelligence lead they open up an investigation and months later close that investigation. cia gets this information. the cia has it and fbi has it. dhs has it. fbi puts up a flag. so does dhs. the fbi doesn't know that he went to russia? the homeland security flag does go up. what happened in the joint terrorism task force which is where it is all supposed to o the ground come together. the cvp agency, can they talk to the fbi agent? i want to know the answer to that question. if the fbi agent knew about the travel that just may have reopened that lead because when comes back from russia he is clearly radicalized when you look at his you tube website and all of the witnesses we are seeing coming out and nine longs later conducts the
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greatest terrorist attack since 9/11. >> i want to talk about syria. we will talk about this in the next segment at length with the israeli ambassador. i want to ask you guys about it as well. after stating the use of chemical weapons was a red lien this week president obama seemed to back off that. take a look. >> this is not an on or off switch. this is an ongoing challenge that all of us have is to be concerned about. >> chris: senator manchin, as a member of the senate the armed services committee are you, first of all, persuaded that the assad regime did use chemical weapons and what do you make of the fact that the president seemed to set this marker assad stepped over it and now he is backing away? >> from what i have been told and seen and in the briefings i have had, it shows that they have used it and do have the capabilities. there is some question after as we know iraq and how that had gone so there is questions in
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senators' minds, i believe. when we watch this whole thing unfold in syria right now, we look at syria from the standpoint do we send troops in. there is people advocating that. do we give all of the support we can to the allies there who are the neighbors are syria that have the most to lose. the refugee problem that is tremendous concern to all of us. with all that being said, i do not -- i would not support boots on the ground. supportport total yo is survis as far as humanitarian aid to jordan. >> chris: no fly zone, arming the rebels. >> coordinate with nato and with the neighbors and allies over there to their best interest. i will really believe that. >> chris: all right. finally, senator manchin you and fellow republican pat toomey were the coauthors of
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the expanded background check that was voted down a few days ago in the senate. you are talking now you you are talking about revising the bill and bringing it back to the senate floor. that came out today that your cosponsor pat toomey says no i'm done with it. you really think that the expansion of background checks can be revised and passed? >> i certainly do. the only thing we asked for is that people would just read the bell. it is a criminal and mental background check strictly at gun shows and online shows. the way the law is today if you go to a gun store you have a background check done. if you go to a gun show and a license willed dealer they still do a background check but you you can go to the next table over and have no check at all. if you buy a gun out of state online. >> chris: we knew you all that before hand and your colleagues didn't vote for it. >> i think there was confusion. the first bill that came out o the ground was dropped which was all inclusive. we talked to chuck and he backed off of that and we
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worked on what we thought was a much better bill especially coming from the gun culture that i come from in west virginia. i had gone down and worked the bill into the coal fields into the gun friendly west virginiaians that i hunt with and sport shoot with and all of them when they saw the bill this basically not only protect its the second amendment right it expands your second amendment right. >> chris: we are running out of team here. pat toomey says he is done with it. i don't think he is. pat is totally committed to this bill and i believe that with all my heart. if people would just take time to read it. if you are law abiding gun owner you ought to love this bill. if it you are a criminal you probably won't like it. we don't infringe on anybody's rights. individual rights. >> chris: you are going to bring the bill back to the senate floor and you think it will be different. >> i truly leave if we have time to sell the bill and
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people will read the bill and i'm willing to go anywhere and debate anybody on this issue. read the bill and tell me what you don't like. we stopped registration completely from the standpoint of a felony with 15 years of imprisonment. >> chris: is part of the idea here that you are going to strip it away and separate it from -- >> the bill needs to be clean, i believe. that is my belief. if the bill runs clean and people can vote on the bill up or down based on the merits this of bill how you that protects a gun second amendment gun person a law abiding gun owner. it is perfect for that person. if you are going to a gun show you expect to have a background check. if you are buying online whether it is out-of-state gun or jen state a background check. no intervining at all with family transfers or are any individual rights whatsoever. >> chris: thank you both for coming and talking with us. we will stay on top of all these issues. thank you. >> chris: up next, a growing consensus syria has crossed the red line and used chemical weapons against its own people.
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>> chris: video of patients aired last month on syrian state tv after both seeds in accused ther there aseussed other of using chemical weapons. u.s. intelligence believes the assad regime used serin gas against its opponents. we he invited the israeli are ambassador to discuss what is really going on and what it means to the u.s. and its allies. >> good to be with you, chris. >> chris: has the assad regime
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in syria used chemical weapons against its own people? has it crossed the red line. >> our military made an assessment and looks like a high probability of usage. similar assessment by britain and and france and, yes, by the united states. >> chris: this week israeli's top entell against military analyst said this. according to the professional assessment regime has used deadly chemicals against armed rebels. quoted to a march 19 attack which indicate the use of deadly chemical weapons. the white house ambassador says there is not enough evidence. who is right? >> it is an intelligence assessment, chris. intelligence agencies make assessments not definitive proof, of course. the chemical weapons situation in syria is highly complex. we are dealing with the largest chemical weapons arsenal in the
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middle east. it is diverse. it is stored in different ways. and access to syria is very, very limited as you know. they won't let u.n. inspectors in as well. we are not making any call. >> chris: your people seem more defensative about this, sir. >> our assessments are similar to those of the united states and britain and france. we are looking at the same intelligence material. we have a close intimate intelligence dialogue. we share our intelligence and i think you have seen the results of that. we are not making any calls for the united states here. >> chris: i understand that. i do want to -- i know you made at great length the idea you are not pressuring the administration to do anything. >> absolutely not. >> chris: for months president obama said if assad used chemical weapons it would be he a game changer and now he seems to be steering away from any talk of precipitous action. let's see that then and now you. >> that is a red line for us and that there would be enormous consequences if we start seeing movement on the chemical weapons front or the
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use of chemical weapons. this is going to be a long-term proposition. it is not going be something that is solved easily overnight. >> chris: i understand you are not calling for any action. is your government troubled at all that red lines and enormous consequences have now you become a "long-term proposition"? >> we have a different red line entirely. if the syrian regime tries to transfer chemical weapons or what we call game changing weapons to the is systems in lebanon israel will react and we are serious about the red line and sticking about the red line and the people in syria though that. the chemical weapons situation again is very, very complex. this is an american call. the united states and israel are sovereign countries and we have to make our own decisions whether about syria or about the iranian nuclear program. >> here is the issue. not just syria that is watching.
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iran is watching. president obama said that he would not allow eran to develop a nuke capability which is an intelligence matter. i don't have to tell you is a much more difficult thing to assess than whether or not there has been a use of chemical weapons. if the president backs off as he appears to be from the red line and enormous consequences in syria what do you think of the lesson that is being seen by the mullahs in tehran? >> the chemical threat is serious. but you it is of a typically different magnitude of the iranian nuclear threat which threatens the existences of the state of israel and threatens world stability. the iranian mullahs if they are looking at the syrian situation i don't know what they are seeing what definitely they have seen in a little over a on imonth is a visit by the u.s. secretary of defense. the u.s. secretary of state and the president of the united
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states of israel and they all brought the same messages. the messages that the united states stands four square behind israel's security. the united states supports escapeddial's right to defend itself. >> and a top defense official in jerusalem just this week said tehran, the iranian leaders are watching what is going on in syria. >> i can't speak for any anonymous defense official. i know what iranians have seen in issuesial over the -- in israel over is the last month alone. every official from the secretary of defense and secretary of state and president of the united states president obama has come to israel and in israel said that the united states will not allow iran to acquire nuclear weapons. >> chris: he also said there would be red lien red lines ifa used chemical weapons. do you see who down side to the president backing down on the issue. >> we are not recommending any policy other than one exception
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and that is if the united states decides to arm syrian rebels with lethal weaponry, not just defensive weaponry, that those weapons and those rebels be very carefully vetted. we had a very bad experience with libya where shoulder fired missiles went disappearing quickly and showed up in our backyard and we don't want that to happen again in syria. >> chris: let's talk about the military component and what syria has. intelligence estimates are that 1,000-tons are chemical weapons including serin nerve agent, mustard gas and vx are in the assad arsenal. and serin is nasty stuff. 500 times more toxic tha cyani. >> what can the u.s. do -- >> we can't get into tactical on television. all i can tell you it is a complex organization even if
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you you you strike a kim weapons peace and there is chemical results to is civilians it is as if you used chemical weapons. we are having a high level dialogue united states and with other middle eastern governments concerned with the future possible use of the chemical agent. >> chris: as you point out if you bomb the stockpiles you could disburse them and then become complicit in the use of chemical weapons. if you you try who secure them you have boots on the ground in the the middle of a civil war and if you arm the rebels opposing assad there is a good chance they fall into the hands of the more radical forces linked to al-qaeda. >> and presizely my point why israel is not making, pressuring,in urging the united states to take any actions.
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because we share the concerns of the united states and our neighbors. >> chris: are there way to deal with the problems military >> it is intimate between our military planners as well as our civilian leaders and while we can't discuss details we are working out ways in which we can possibly address this threat. >> chris: and again to press a point that you made earlier even if the u.s. decides not to act in terms of its own red line, israel is prepared to act in terms of its own red line if any of these chemical weapons fall into the hands of people that you consider a threat to the state of israel? >> yes. >> chris: and you would do that? >> yes. is that a short enough answer for you? >> chris: i wish some of the others had been as definitive. in any case, finally, let's talk about boston. israel has perhaps the best certainly one of the best intelligence services in the world. do you have any information about the so called chechen connection and whether or not
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the tsarnaev brothers were linked to foreign elements? >> not that i know. >> chris: what you tell us about the chechen link to radical islam? >> they have many branches throughout the entire world. we see international jihadists feeing in syria. we have seen how international jihaddist elements have moved from peninsula into syria. and they come from different nationalities. we had terrorist attacks across our borders in the south where participants haven't been palestinians or egyptians. saudis and yemenis, people coming from jihaddist organizations and they can move. >> chris: any suspicions at all about foreign links to the bombings in boston? >> i don't know. >> chris: you don't know or can't say? >> i don't know. >> chris: we will leave it there. ambassador thank you so much. always a mr. he sure to talk
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with you -- always a pleasure to talk with you, sir. thanks for coming in today. >> my pleasure. >> chris: we ten the conversation with the sunday group. what should the u.s. do about chemical weapons in syria and what does it mean for iran and the rest of the middle east? our landing time got moved back another hour. ( crowd chatters and groans ) hunger creeping up on you ? stash a ritz crackerfuls. made with real cheese and whole grain. don't get caught hungry. ritz crackerfuls. because it saves things. [ cellphone beeps ] like your marriage.
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i hope that this new revealation of chemical weapons
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will move the president to do what he should have done two years ago from the statement that is coming out of white house i'm not sure they he will. >> chris: senator john mccain who has been pushing president obama to intervene in syria for two years renewing his call this week after finding the assad regime has used chemical weapons. it is time for the sunday group. brit hume, fox news senior political analyst. amy walter of the cook political report. bill kristol from the weekly standard and charles lane of the washington post. i think it is fair to say that president obama has put himself in a bit of a box here on syria. kept talking for months about red lines and consequences and game changers but you clearly mindful of the bad entell against that led into the invasion of iraq and also clear he never wanted to get involved military in syria. is there a graceful way out for him? >> what he will do and is trying to do is insist on ironclad proof. you wonder if he doesn't want
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an affidavit signed by bashar assad himself saying yes indeed we did use serin gas on these people. appetizing prospect. a president who didn't want to intervene to stop the deaths of what is now 70,000 people i don't think is delegate to go on at least argue youabley incomplete evidence there has been the chemical weapons used. my sense is he didn't want to do anything and for now at least he isn't going to do anything. >> chris: a down side in terms of credibility in the middle east? >> not the kind of thing that is going to bother people going about their daily lives in america but around the world this kind of apparent weakness has a price. it emboldens enemies and i think it is regrettable.
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>> chris: also syria's political factors here. if you believe the polls the american people do not want to get involved in another land war or any kind of military involvement in another middle east country. on the other hand as i was discussing with brit if you say there is a red line. >> right, this is a red line. >> chris: and somebody crosses it, is there a price to not doing anything? >> brit is right. the question of where is the cost. politically in a different position certainly than where democrats were before iraq. he has the public behind him and not just the concern about syria but the cloud of iraq and afghanistan still lingering there. the approve allege rating about whether the war are in afghanistan was even worth fighting is now 39%. so there is definitely a very strong distaste on the part of americans to do anything there. the other piece of this, too, is you have a public again unlike 2003 and i say this because we are spending so much team talking about the george
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w. bush administration after the opening -- i was thinking about the library. the fact is the economy itself, the fact that we are talking much more now about syria and we are tacking about guns and we are talking about some of the other issues. we haven't talked about the fact that the gdp has also been hit and the fact that we still are looking for economic growth that is not there yet. for this president he is in a position right now, where the american public wants to see more than anything a discussion about the thing that they thought this the election was about in 2012 and that they thought the election was about in 2010 and 2008 which is the economy. this is obviously not getting him into that position. >> yes, but you mr. kristol is going to say but you got to do two things at the same time. let's talk specifically about iran which i think everybody agrees in the middle east is the real key factor here. as i discussed with the ambassador. december certaining is an in it tell against -- discern ising is an intelligence matter. assess ising whether or not
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syria used chemical weapons an easier matter than acertaining whether iran has nuclear weapons which is behind door. and this this kind of air tight case and proof much harder to assess. if he fails to act now what do you think is the message to the mullahs in iran? >> this is not a president who wants to start another war. that is the way he sees it. i think is is totally irresponsible. no one wants to start wars. the public be is at 39% or 60%. what is happening in syria is a very serious matter. the spill over effect. 75,000 people killed which incidentally at one point in time liberals and democrats cared about. you know, there once was is a liberal international swaying of the democratic party. chuck lean is the last representative of it probably that actually thought maybe the u.s. should use its power to
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prevent this kind of absolute fresh happening. the actual effects in jordan and in iraq where we spent a lot of press to achieve a reasonable outcome the president didn't secure any troop there's now and now spilling into iraq and throughout the middle east and then the enext in iran i think is serious. i think it emboldens mullahs. they said we only have a few months now deal with eran. i think israel probably feels they will have to deal with iran on their own and can't wait for the president. >> chris: charles? >> there is another aspect that involves iran and that is the fact that iran is a close ally of the assad regime and according to reports now is pouring its support into propping him up militarily. mobilizing hezbollah out of lebanon to send fighters into syria raising the prospect at the end of all this assad could win this thing and impose his will on that country. >> chris: are you saying that is another reason why we he should intervene? >> another reason that i think
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pushes in that direction because what we have here is a situation where iran could see itself if assad succeeds in surviving at least as having intimidated or frightened the united states into staying out of the area. >> chris: let me just pick up with one last thing. we will run out of time, bill and i want to ask you as the person who is urging action, there are are no good choices as i discussed with the ambassador. if you bomb as he said you could be complicit in a war crime of disbursing the chemical weapons. if you try to secure them you are putting boots on the ground in the middle of a kill war. icivil war. if you arm the rebels there are growing stories that a growing percentage of the rebels are tied to al-qaeda. what do you do? >> would have been easier two years ago but do what you think is best based on commander in chief. a lot of options covert and over the. understandable to err on the side of caution but now we are
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paying much more of a price for inaction than action. >> cross the line you got to do something. whatever it is may not directly affect the chemical weapons use but if it harms the regime's prospects in the war that would at least be a consequence and at least keep the red lien pledge from being hollow. a know fly zone would do that. expensive and dangerous. >> chris: and syrian antiaircraft. >> this isn't mix impossible. just a costly military enterprise that the president seems loath to underis take. >> chris: five presidents set aside political differences and gather for dedication of george w. bush presidential library. ♪ >> a great plenty of questions to honor our son, our oldest son. >> when all of the living former presidents are together, it is also a is special day for
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the democracy. >> my mother told me not to talk too long today. and barbara, i will not let you down. >> years after he left office his policies take on a new perspective. >> chris: next, we will ask the sunday panel about the legacy of george w. bush. [ male announcer ] with free package pickup from the united states postal service a small jam maker can ship like a big business. just go online to pay, print and have your packages picked up for free. we'll do the rest. ♪ your doctor will say get smart about your weight. that's why there's glucerna hunger smart shakes. they have carb steady, with carbs that digest slowly to help minimize blood sugar spikes. [ male announcer ] glucerna hunger smart. a smart way to help manage hunger and diabetes.
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it is the honor of a lifetime to lead a country as brave and as noble as the united states. whatever challenges come before us i will always believe our nation's best days lie ahead. >> chris: president george w. bush getting emotional this week at the dedication of his presidential library in texas and we are back now with the
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panel. bush 43 left office to low approval ratings and general criticism from presidential his tore areryians. if you believe the polls brit and we have one that we will put up on the screen. his standing has dramatically improved in the last four plus years. your view. forget the polls. how do you think the bush presidency looks from that vantage point? >> in many ways it looks better than it did. the financial crisis is largely over. a recovery of sorts is underway. people may now you judge the steps he took which was so hugely controversial at the time were necessary and proper. we now know in light of what happened in boston that the lack of a terrorist attack on us is not the automatic. they recognize perhaps people that he -- that he succeeded in preventing a further terrorist attack, successful terrorist attack on the homeland. and finally, there is the contrast between his i think
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quite seemly behavior since he has been out of office. dig anified silence in the face of constant efforts to blame him for everything that has gone wrong. that has helped. and a natural mellowing of public sentiment towards any president who has been out of office. >> chris: the fact is that for much of his time in office president obama has attacked and blamed president bush for the economy, for his quote mismanagement of two wars. does bush 43 continue to be a good pinata for democrats in the way that jimmia carter has been for so long for republicans? >> the irony, of course, is he continues to be a pinata for republicans. remember it was the bush presidency in many ways that brought the rise of the tea party. there were many republicans who came in and said we lost our way, we lost our way on fiscal issues. and we are not going to be part
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of that establishment any more and the bush name equals establishment now. barack obama is president today not because of the campaign that mccain run but because he ran against george w. bush that was pretty clear. the interesting thing about that dedication and goes back to the points we were all making around the table earlier and the fact that the term afghanistan and iraq were never uttered not by george w. bush, not the by anybody who spoke there. his legacy is still defined by iraq and afghanistan and yet even at the dedication it is not something is talked about. that will teak much longer time in terms of history. in terms of the day-to-day i think that it is now president obama's economy. it is now president obama's presidency. those attacks don't hold as much weight. >> chris: you know, bill, the dedication of the library, of course, comes just after as brit pointed out the biggest terrorist attack on the
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homeland since 9/11. does that change people's view of president bush the fact that on his watch after 9/11 he kept the country safe? >> i think it could. and i d t it is funny i didn't know that iraq hadn't been mentioned at all. ithood have been mentioned. one thing should have been mentioned. the surge. that was a courageous act by the president against public opinion. against what would probably be perceived as his own and his party's political interest. bit early attacked, savegeed by the democrats in congress. it wobbled. when left office after the end of 2008 iraq was stable and safe. if he had followed the democrats opinions iraq would have been what syria is today but worse actually and the consequences would have been catastrophic. everybody else can avoid talk afghanistan. afghanistan was that a controversial war. in did i miss efforts to get us
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out of afghanistan. we can rewrite history and pretend we can't talk about afghanistan and iraq they were controversial. the surge was the right thing to do. >> brit, do you agree on iraq? >> i think the surge was a great call in the political and operational sense for many of the reasons bill said but it is undeniable that was a move he made to salvage a war that wasn't working and that had not worked out the way he and his advisors saw that it would. no getting around that. but, again, it is true. you can always -- it is easier politically sometimes to cut and run. i give him some credit for the surge as bill does. the poll number, the 47 to 50 we saw that could just reflect the polarization of the country. the 50/50 america. you tell america -- >> a 40% increase over the approval rating he enjoyed when left office. >> he was down 33 points when left office and now down 3
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points. your thoughts, the strengths, the weaknesses of the bush presidency? >> we haven't talked much about the economy. bill is right and tarp. something he had to do. like the emergency and it worked much better than a lot of people thought. >> chris: and president obama continued it. >> and takes credit for it. >> what i was going to say is that the tax cuts particularly the second round you look at them in hindsight we might have been able to do without them particularly the way that the deficit developed later on. some ex-agarics in terms of bush's -- exaggeration in terms of bush's fault on the deficit. i don't think the capital gai look so great. >> chris: a lot o the ground of talk about jeb bush the president's brother, 41's son, former florida governor running for president in 2016. there was some opposition to that surrounding the ceremony in an unlikely source. take a look.
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>> he is by far the best qualified man but no, i really don't. i think it is a great country and there are lot of great families and it is not just four families or whatever. there are other people out there that are very qualified and we have had enough bushs. >> chris: brit, you know the bushs well, particularly that generation 41 and barbara bush. >> close to my age. >> chris: i didn't say that. but you covered them. anyway. what do you make of the comments? >> this is absolutely what i would have expected from barbara bush. she suffered terribly when the slings and arrows aimed first at her husband and then to her son and whatever extent it was to her other son and i think she is fed up and long had enough of her men being on the firing line. but i think in terms of the about public's estimation that cycleles are accelerated these
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days. and the country may now, indeed, be ready for another are bush and if you think about jeb bush he doesn't particularly look like either his father or his brother. he is a different breed of cat outward le at least. some of the same qualities. traditional views and gentlemanly and so on. if he decides wants to run he will be a formidable candidate. >> chris: let me ask you as our source from the cook political report. you think that the bush last name which was seen as an impossible barrier for jeb bush in 2012? do you think that that has diminished that he would be able not only to win a nomination but also the general election and do you think he will run? >> i think his last the name isn't as problematic as the fact that it is his last name plus the last name of the likely opponent which is
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clinton. not just bush. versus clinton. we go get into are we really going back there. i don't know that he will actually do this. if you put his name on paper his attributes and didn't put a last name to it both sides would say that is the perfect candidate for a republican nominee. >> chris: see you next week. check out panel plus where the group picks right up with the discussion on our website fox newssunday .com. follow us on twitter @ "fox news sunday." they held the white house correspondents' dinner last night. washington reporters a chance to highlight with hobnob stars. as usual the president's speech. one big difference this year. no "hail to the chief." ♪ >> thank you. thank you, everybody.
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>>. >> chris: it's called the love advocacy. film people coming to washington to push for their cause. we sat down with a special person who has been trying to save millions of lives for years. she is our power player of the week. >> very heart to ignore the pain and suffering, unnecessary pain and suffering when it comes to a virus that is completely preventable. >> she is talking about hivaid progress that has been made and work that still needs to be done. >> you can make something in your world better. >> chris: worldwide 7,000 people are infected and 4500 still die every day but there has been so much progress. >> there is access to anti-viral drugs has led to 75% and that is
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huge. that is just in two years. we are so close to really looking at the beginning of the end of aids. >> chris: theron was in washington who is leading the fighter guns the fight against aids. >> to bring a sense of urgency by seeing that we cannot accept without people having access to medication and in the south they will die because not abscess to medications. >> chris: which brings us to money. the u.s. contributes $5 billion of the $16 billion spent each year fighting aids. theron is lobbying for a bigger contribution. >> i think a lot of americans foreign aid is a huge percentage of the budget of america but it is less than 1 percent. >> chris: you are not washington
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insider but i am sure you know we have a bunch of problems? >> i understand that and people look at me naively but less than 1 percent, there is something about effectiveness i don't want to lose. >> chris: born and raised in south africa she has been fighting the battle for more than 15 years. she saw her mother shoot and killed her alcoholic father who was threatening the family. she started speaking out about rape and aids. in 2007 she started the africa out reach problem sending clinics to villages to teach young people about aids prevention and treatment. >> how much of your focus against women and children come from your own personal history? >> in my business, film making business there is always a saying, you can't tell a story effectively if you don't
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emotionally tap into it. i do have a personal connection to that. >> chris: she is gratified to see teenagers now leading the fight geons aids. she is determined to use her celebrity to do some good. >> i feel like a mother in the sense i have watched them grow up. i couldn't be the activist i am today if i didn't have this spotlight that sometimes is about my hair cut. i'm trying to maybe other times to make it about the fight for something like stopping aids and hiv or violence against women. >> chris: while theron is asking the u.s. to fight aids, other countries are picking it up including a $2 billion commitment from south africa. that is it for today. have a great week and we'll see you next fox news sunday.
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this is the "the fox report." tonight a community on lockdown as authorities search for someone who murdered an 8-year-old child. and developing on this sunday, a new focus in the investigation of the boston terror bombings. lawmakers at the highest levels zeroing in on just how the two suspects may have learned so much about how to hurt so many. they could not have done this on their own. the chairman of the house homeland security committee saying he believes the boston bombing suspects had help. >> i think the experts all agree that there is someone who did train these two individuals. fox reports. the new questions b

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